Joker, Riddler and a real Dick Grayson in This Week’s BatChat (Text Edition)

Jim Gordon gets some answers but leaves some questions open in the penultimate issue of this series, as the final fate of the Clown Prince of Crime remains a mystery in The Joker #14, written by James Tynion IV, penciled by Giuseppe Camuncoli, inked by Cam Smith, colored by Arif Prianto and lettered by Tom Napolitano.

In Detective Comics #1,059, we meet Deb Donovan’s daughter, ordinary citizens commit random crimes and somehow the Riddler’s new look is even more hipster/pickup artist than his mutton-chop look in a story written by Mariko Tamaki & Nadia Shammas, penciled by Ivan Reis, inked by Danny Miki, colored by Brad Anderson and lettered by Ariana Maher. In the backup, Gotham Girl tries to settle into a normal life and is having some problems in a story written by Sina Grace, drawn by David Lapham, colored by Trish Mulvihill and lettered by Rob Leigh.

Bruce Wayne has an unwelcome hitchhiker in his brain, Terry McGinnis is searching for his father’s killer in all the wrong places and Dick Grayson lives up to his name in Batman: Beyond the White Knight #2, written and drawn by Sean Murphy, colored by Dave Stewart and lettered by AndWorld Design.

Matt Lazorwitz: So after last week, where we had only one book we reviewed, this week we have a solid three, plus Dark Knights of Steel and the next two parts of “Shadow War.” That means we have way too much content. We are sort of just enjoying DKoS at this point, and we’ll mention what “Shadow War” is up to next week, with Batman, yes?

Will Nevin: I check in and out of DKoS — always seems like Tom Taylor’s Perfectly Fine brand of alternate worldbuilding. And you’ll have to give me a reading order for “Shadow War.” Goddamned crossovers. 

This week, though? None of that bullshit.

Joker

Matt: One issue left, and I am going to miss this book. This issue was pretty exposition heavy, but we now have all the answers about A-Day, Bane and the Network. It all makes sense, but I did not expect the mostly forgotten New 52 Talon series to be an important story point, although one you fortunately didn’t need to have read to get what’s going on here.

Will: I didn’t know Tynion goes back as far as New 52; learn something new every day, I reckon. (I do, however, remember his work on Batman Eternal.) So let me ask you this: This series was supposed to conclude with #14, correct? I think we had a super-stuffed final issue that was split in half, with this getting a little bit more exposition-y in the process. Sound about right?

Matt: Yes, I think you are correct, especially since the backup is clearly something that was commissioned separately from the rest of the Punchline serial. I think it might be a case of they were planning on those extra eight pages being enough, it turned out it was nowhere near enough, so they split it and got Alex Paknadel to write the closest thing to a good Punchline story ever written.

Will: What a week for backups and characters who normally suck, huh? I think the iffy bits of the art maybe speak to the time constraints (Joker look was not that strong, but it has the distinct disadvantage of following one of my favorite Jokers in the main story), but Paknadel sure does write the shit out of it. Creepy as all fuck. 

Matt: Completely. We haven’t talked about the backups before, because we haven’t really enjoyed them, but this little eight pages of horror is well worth the read. 

Meanwhile, in the main story, which remains great, we see Jim Gordon now more haunted than ever. The Joker absolutely feels like he has won, since Jim has had to compromise his code to get to this point, and while we don’t know what became of Joker, well, Jim is in rough shape: on the outs with Barbara, questioned by the back-in-shape Detective Hallows (glad to see she has her arm back) and finding a Batman skulking in his apartment. This is the “hero” at the end of a noir, looking back and wondering if he has sold his soul for the right reasons.

Will: That was excellent artistic work with Hallows’ arm — the scars and sutures were gnarly, and the slight color difference was perfect. Thoughtful work for sure. And, really, that’s been the story of Joker all along, hasn’t it? Deep, moving and smart, and like you, I’ll miss this when it’s gone. (It’s a fool’s errand to try to follow this story with a second volume, but best of luck to whoever is going to try.) I look forward to reading this for the show … say this, Killing Joke (we gotta do it eventually, Matty Lazers) and another Gordon-centric story?

Matt: Oh, I think there might be a story or two I can think of that can work with that, yes indeed. I am going to avoid talking spoilers on this book as much as possible, because there’s a lot here that should be read, but I want to talk about that scene on the train where Jim runs into some Joker fans. That’s the moment where, for me, I was sure Jim had done something that is going to haunt him, and I don’t know if that is killing the Joker or not killing the Joker. And the narration over that, about the Joker’s laughter in his head? Some of the series’ best.

Will: I know you noticed the subway stop, right?

Matt: Of course, because everything in Gotham is named after a creator!

’Tec

Matt: OK, I need to talk about the thing that really got me in here: What the ever-loving hell is Eddie Nygma doing with that facial hair? I mean, I guess I’m better with this than him bringing his gimp suit look from The Batman over into the main DCU, but stop trying so hard, Eddie!

Will: It’s an improvement over mutton chops, at least? That mustache is a dead ringer for AEW’s The Butcher. My thing: Should we save the criminal law discussion on arson for the end notes or get it out of the way now?

Matt: Will, you know I love your criminal law discussions. Let’s do it.

Will: So Judge Donovan (guess who didn’t immediately pick up on that name!) sentences the defendant to 25 years without the possibility of parole on a charge of arson in the second degree. That sentence struck me as a bit odd given the nature of the crime, so I did a little googling to refresh my memory on arson. The general idea is that arson in the first degree is the most serious (duh) because it involves setting fire to an occupied building, whereas second degree arson is setting fire to an unoccupied building and third degree arson is setting fire to land. (Also, this is just a general discussion of state criminal laws; YMMV. Furthermore, I am not barred, and I am for goddamned sure not your attorney, firestarter.)

So 25 years without parole sounds a bit stiff for setting fire to an unoccupied building, right? But there’s a catch! Some states — like Oklahoma — also say that it’s arson in the second degree when a fire results from the manufacturing of a controlled substance. My unofficial conclusion? Our guy’s meth lab caught fire, and the judge is sticking it to him. 

Also, fun fact: So long as you’re not doing it for the insurance money or any other ulterior motive, a possible defense to arson is that you wanted to burn down your own damn house for fun. 

Matt: Huh. Good to know. Nothing as relaxing as recreational arson.

So obviously these plots are all intertwined. Riddler is somehow behind these “random” crimes. I’m just not sure what his angle is yet. And I’m fine with that. A Riddler story is a puzzle, and we shouldn’t have all the pieces in the first part (See any of our reviews of Joker Presents: A Puzzlebox).

But what sells me a lot on this issue are some of the small character moments. I love Deb Donovan, who is still her normal, profane and in-your-face self, even at her daughter’s hospital bedside. I like Bruce being kind of a goof when trying to interact normally; we don’t get sweet and awkward Bruce often, but I like it. And the beat cop talking to Batman is kind of charming as well. And Ivan Reis, who is the prototype of modern DC house style, sells all this. 

Will: This is probably Tamaki’s last arc before Ram V comes on, right? If so, I think she’s gonna end her run with something special. I’m excited for this here story, Brother Matt. 

Matt: You are correct, and I agree with you on that. And you referenced it above, but this backup? Far and away the most interested I have ever been in Gotham Girl.

Will: I fuckin’ know, right? Love the new visual tweaks, and this feels like a really authentic voice of someone struggling with mental illness and the burden of responsibility. 

Matt: This is a character who I have felt, from the beginning, had what I call “surface depth.” You’re supposed to buy into this character being important, having this deep history and important life, but they (or the creators) have never done anything to earn it except tell you, not show you, they are a real character. This here? This shows me there is more to Gotham Girl. And I am down for it.

White Knight

Matt: Wow. So … wait. I am having a harder time than usual wrapping my brain around something. And I know entering the mind of SGM is a guaranteed trip to madness, but bear with me and see if my logic bears out.

Will: I don’t want to, Matt, but we’re in this mess so deep, I might as well. 

Matt: So, based on the ending of the previous volume, Murphy was coming back for volume 3 and he knew it. But did he really think he could pull off that volume without Joker and only afterward realized he needed him, so came up with this asinine Joker-in-Batman’s-brain thing? Or was this actually something you think he had planned. Because this? This is dumb.

Will: I’d say it was the dumbest thing in the whole series, but then I got to the last-page reveal in this issue. But, yeah, no reasonable creator would come up with such a dipshit contrivance when the easiest answer is “not killing Joker.” But this is a guy who continues to prattle on about “elites” and “super criminals.”

Matt: Oh, do not get me started. And somehow picking on poor Dick Grayson, the most free-spirited member of the Bat family traditionally, and turning him full fascist? How the hell does that make any sense? Is this whole thing about SGM liking Jason Todd more, so he needs to tear Dick down? Cause that’s the vibe I’m starting to get here.

Will: We know the guy already hates the modern interpretation of Harley Quinn; those feelings could well extend to Dick as well. But, really, only a guy with brain worms could write this stuff. And only a couple of real fuckwits would read it voluntarily. You ever question your life choices, Matt?

Matt: More and more with every issue. I just remain singularly frustrated by how this book doesn’t stand on its own at this point. Without a working knowledge of the Murphyverse, you’re completely lost, and without any knowledge of Batman Beyond, so many of the new characters are just paper thin; you have no reason to care about or revile Terry and Derek Powers if you don’t care about them already. And that, my friend, is one of the worst sins of a superhero comic. Counting on nostalgia to carry the book. Boooooooooo.

Will: But at least Murphy has mastered his singular male facial expression: the screaming scowl. I will say one thing: His ages might finally make sense. In White Knight, Bruce has been Batman for “decades.” In this issue, it’s said he’s in his 60s. Factor in a few years for jail time, and I’ll pronounce it close enough. 

And that’s the closest thing to a compliment I’ve ever had for this man’s work. 

Bat-miscellany

Matt Lazorwitz read his first comic at the age of 5. It was Who's Who in the DC Universe #2, featuring characters whose names begin with B, which explains so much about his Batman obsession. He writes about comics he loves, and co-hosts the podcasts BatChat with Matt & Will and The ComicsXF Interview Podcast.

Will Nevin loves bourbon and AP style and gets paid to teach one of those things. He is on Twitter far too often.